Not By Memory Alone

Mayor Dan Knorr Addressing Open Forum on Flood Response
Mayor Dan Knorr Addressing Open Forum on Flood Response

It’s critical that we not rely on memory, on word of mouth for that type of an emergency. Because if it’s four decades from now, we’re going to need to have everything compiled, have this written, memorialized.
–Mayor Dan Knorr, October 18th, 2011

Records of the 1972 flood exist to be sure, but they don’t tell the entire story. There are pictures, maps, lists of names and statistics. But what these records lack is the immediate story, the conversation that takes place daily among friends and neighbors, the conversation that has taken and is still taking place in the streets of Bloomsburg.

Mayor Knorr, the Town Council, Emergency Services, and Public Works all received well-deserved praise at the Open Forum held at the Bloomsburg Firehall on the evening of October 18th. The Bloomsburg Daily, too, commends all of our local officials for their tireless and continuing efforts, helping Bloomsburg recover from this tragedy as well as looking for ways to plan for, or possibly prevent, the next.

But regardless of these good works, there was another feeling in the room last night; one of anger, one of loss, and of pain and desperation. Town residents came looking for practical answers, to be sure, but also to add their voices of frustration. They came to continue the private conversations they have daily in their living rooms, on their porches, and beside their homes which they can no longer enter.

They came wanting to know that their fellow citizens, those to whom they entrusted the care of their local government, had a sense of their loss. Here, the Mayor and the Town Council let their fellow citizens down.

Soon after Mayor Knorr finished his 30 minute presentation, the questioning began. One resident wondered why in this open forum we were reviewing all that information. “Will we just be here doing the same thing again next year?”

“Is all we’re going to do is clean the fairgrounds when people are suffering,” another resident asked.

Each time, the answers of the Mayor and the Town Council were disappointing. They spoke of statistics, future plans, using jacks to raise houses. They answered questions that were not asked. And over those two hours, some members of the Council did not speak at all. We wondered, listening to the Council’s replies, if they heard the questions their neighbors were truly asking. We wondered if they too sensed the feeling in that room.

The responsibility of any elected official is great, of course. They need to remember the practical, be able to plan for the needs of their town. But governmental leadership is also about fostering a sense of community. By speaking only of what was done in the past and of what might be done in the future, the Mayor and the Council lost the chance to address the uncertainty of the community in the present.

Mayor Knorr is right. We do need to have the practical plans and procedures to be both written and widely known. But he is also right that the September Flood needs to be memorialized. More than the practical, there is a community voice that needs to be felt, not only once at a town meeting, but constantly, every day in coffee shops and restaurants, in the emails and pictures we send to our friends, in the online forums and comments that connect us and help forge a wider, more active conversation.

This wide and active community is, in a sense, that memorial Mayor Knorr spoke of. Vibrant, engaged and constant conversation is the lifeblood of any town. Keeping that conversation alive keeps that sense of community alive, helping each of us. Not by memory alone, but through this present and continuing conversation we learn where to go, what to do, and how to respond to each crisis our community faces.

Town Addresses Citizens Regarding Flood Response

Listen to the Audio of Dan Knorr’s Opening Remarks at the Flood Forum

Watch the Live Stream Archive of the Event (High Def Version Coming Soon)

Read the Live Blog, a minute-by-minute account of last night’s meeting

Concerned members of the community met with Mayor Dan Knorr and local officials last night to discuss the town response to the disastrous September flooding.  Mayor Knorr stated that the goal was to know what went right, what went wrong, and what could be done better in future flooding situations.  He stated that “It’s critical that we not rely on memory, on word of mouth for that type of an emergency.”

From a purely factual perspective, we learned that the flooding was caused by three separate storm systems, with Tropical Storm Lee as the “knockout punch.”  Town officials felt there was going to be serious flooding as of Wednesday, September 7th.  At that point the Red Cross shelter was opened and the town issued a disaster declaration.

Public works and fuel pumps were surrounded by water.  The town worked out a deal with Weis Markets to get fuel and other equipment. Police from other townships, Bloomsburg University, and Bucknell University assisted while working in concert with the National Guard.  The Susquehanna River crested on September 9th and town police assisted with many of the nearly 20 required resident evacuations.  We also learned that approximately $500,000 was spent on emergency services as of September 28th, with more costs expected in the future.

Mayor Knorr thanked the many volunteers, AGAPE, the Red Cross, Bloomsburg University, and others for helping in a time of need.  He was thankful that there were no serious injuries or loss of life.  “We can rebuild things, but you can’t bring back a life.”

After the mayor’s introductory comments, the forum was opened up to public comments.  Public sentiment seemed to focus on the incredible tragedy that Bloomsburg residents have endured.  Citizens posed questions about the mental health of victims, whether the forum was really focused on victims, and how people can still receive help.  Almost instantly, the discussion turned to why the floodwall hasn’t been built, the details associated with the wall, potential FEMA or federal government buyouts, and whether residents may need to raise their homes.

When the subject of dredging the Susquehanna River and Fishing Creek was raised, former Mayor Dan Bauman joined the conversation and discussed the costs of dredging as opposed to a flood wall — with the flood wall being his preferred solution after 30 years of studying the issue.  He went on to say that, given federal funding, residents will have to accept the flood wall that the Army Corps of Engineers is willing to give the town.  Cost and property value ratios will dictate what the wall will protect.

Media response to the flooding was also discussed with praise of WHLM’s constant, live coverage.  In addition, one resident wondered whether social media and internet resources would be the better information sharing strategy for future flooding.

But in the end, the meeting was about the victims.  Residents were concerned about their futures in a town that is obviously prone to severe flooding — and with no obvious protection from the rising waters.  Without any clear information about potential buy-outs or future flood walls, some were resigned to the obvious.  One resident said, “We’re willing to walk away from our home with a mortgage. We’re not willing to rebuild. You don’t want to wreck your credit or walk away from the home you love, but you can do what you want, we’re done.”


Flood Open Forum Live Blog

8:00 Mayor: Getting Federal dollars is more difficult due to lack of earmarks. Money is awarded to best project on cost basis, rather than influence over political leaders.

7:58 Resident: With future flood plans, is it possible to coordinate flood planning efforts with towns upriver? Mayor responds that he would like to see a regional plan, but also feels that he needs to fight specifically for his town against other communities in getting flood protection.

7:55 Resident concerned that Emergency Services, waking people at 2AM to evacuate, only told people to “get out” with no information on specifically where to go.

7:53 Mayor Knorr responds to resident concerns about islands and debris blocking Fishing Creek. Town does not have authority over waterways.

7:50 Resident asks if there are set places for people to go for those who are evacuated. Mayor responds that it’s difficult to get that information out since people usually only pay attention to that information in the immediate hours before an emergency

7:49 Resident wonders about evacuation. Wondolosky responds that the town does not have the authority to remove people who refuse to leave.

7:47 BU Psychology professor’s daughter learned of Flood and its severity through facebook and wonders about social media for future emergencies

7:44 Resident: What’s the town’s plan for the next emergency. Mayor spoke of replacing town hall’s emergency generator. Resident: wonders why Bloomsburg University could not be utilized.

7:43 Joe Wondoloski, Emergency Services, responds with needing to educate people on being prepared for emergencies, and improving the information infrastructure.

7:41 Eileen Chapman, AGAPE, worried about “last mile” of information for people not reading newspaper or without electricity for online access.

7:40 Mayor Knorr is also happy with the response of the Bloomsburg Daily and its citizen news response.

7:39 Press Enterprise took criticism and Bloomsburg Daily started in response. Mayor Knorr happy with PE response and that it was free for several days

7:37 Port Noble Drive Resident. Came home on the 9th from Canada. had 5 feet of water in house. Disaster response was good, but we need disaster prevention response. Radio and Newspaper need to have permanent information available for emergencies. Applause.

7:34 Kathy Zimmerman, Wonderview. Port-a-Potties were taken out almost immediately when water came on, but there were still hundreds of volunteers in town

7:32 Mr. Hopper, 10th St., WHLM employee. Also commends town emergency services for their speed in getting information to WHLM so the information could get out over the air.

7:30 Resident commend Town Council on early response, AGAPE as well, the University Students that came to help. Round of applause

7:28 River Road Resident, Lived in flood area since 1972. How does the Town get away with filling in low lying lands, especially around the airport.

7:26 Mayor thinks long term solution lies in flood protection.

7:25 Resident restates that he loves it here. Mayor states that finding funds for buyout is on the agenda for November meeting.

7:24 “You got a whole block there, take us off the tax rolls.”

7:23 “We’re willing to walk away form our home with a mortgage. We’re not willing to rebuild. You don’t want to wreck your credit or walk away from the home you love, but you can do what you want, we’re done.”

7:21 Resident states that FEMA has money and the Town Council needs to do their homework and that they should be going after FEMA funding instead of waiting for the Federal government to come to them

7:20 Resient worried about ground saturation during rains, that the river isn’t deep enough without dredging, and wondering what good the raising houses will do. “Should we just walk away from our houses if we live near the water?”

7:18 Bauman If we want protection, the dike is the way to go. All this money should be saved and put to something useful

7:17 There isn’t a dike that can’t be over topped. You have to write the elected officials to get the dike that the town needs

7:14 Bauman “The dikes will be the way they (the corps of engineers) wants it, not the way you want it” The only part of bloom that qualifies for the cost ratio is the lower end of bloomsburg.

7:13 Former Mayor Dan Bauman discusses details of dredging. Dredging is not the answer.

7:12 Country Club Drive resident wants zoning changed so that not so much pavement moves water to other residents.

7:11 Ralph McGill responds that zoning is handicapped with lack of officers.

7:09 Want to know where help will come from in the future in trying to deal with zoning and bureaucracy, how the process can be expedited.

7:08 West 11th St. Resident. “Help was very good at the very beginning. It was wonderful. I do think now something needs to be done with the zoning”

7:06 Mr. Laubaugh worries that homes may not be raised nearly enough even if they are in compliance with code. Mayor Knorr says to discuss this with Code Enforcement and that he should be called if it feels like residents are dealing with too much red tape.

7:05 Mayor Knorr – Council hasn’t discussed issue yet, Town knows it gets money from residents, but hasn’t discussed reducing red tape to ease getting of permits.

7:04 Mr. Laubaugh wonders about his demolition permit that he needs to buy, doesn’t mind paying, but wants to know if permits will be waived so he can get started rebuilding. Agrees with dredging.

7:03 Curt Laubaugh, 10th St. Resident. Just bought trailer in June, on 1/4 acre. It’s been condemed. Want’s know the red tape the town will put him through before he can rebuild like he wants to. Lifetime bloom resident.

7:02 Port Noble Drive Resident. Can’t imagine living anywhere else, applauding efforts of town

7:01 East Main Resident. Thanking Emergency services for rescuing her.

7:00 Isabel Tarr speaking of worry of people on the East end of town. “Why do we still allow people to build in this area?”

6: 59 Mr. Hamilton wants a lobbyist in Washington for the whole area in support of dredging the Susquehanna and Fishing creek

6:58 Mayor tries to move meeting along. Townspeople grumble and want Mr. Hamilton to continue.

6:57 “If we don’t do this, 20, 30, 40, 50 years we’ll have this agian.”

6:57 “We could have hired a lobbyist in Washington for all the money we spent in town in the last 3 years.”

6:55 “I don’t care who our senator or congressman is, we need a lobbyist. We were able to pay for Streeter’s, the tennis courts”

6:54 1936 Flood Survivor: “The lifting system is far fetched.” “I’ve gone through this for years and it’s getting ridiculous. I believe in dredgine the Susquehanna and Fishing creek”

6:53 Another resident “Who cares about a (airport) runway? “Why buiild that up to flood somebody else?”

6:51 Resident in back (they aren’t stating names) wondering where the money would be raised to jack up homes. Also wants to ensure that all homes are sufficiently raised, even above what FEMA may say is the flood plain. “100 year Flood plain doesn’t mean anything”

6:50 Unidentified resident disagrees with Kreisher on the utility of raising houses.

6:48 Kreisher discussing technicalities of how a house is to be raised above flood plain

6:47 Bill Kreisher, Town council, talking of lifting and raising homes above the flood level with jacks

6:45 Town can apply for Federal funding with Town 25% match to buyout properties. Has to make sure that Town can afford buy out. Doesn’t know if the Federal government will provide monies

6:44 Mayor is doesn’t know if there will always be federal funding for a floodwall

6:43 Anger from residents that all the town is doing at this meeting is reviewing damgage instead of addressing their concerns.

6:42 “Is all we’re going to do is clean the fairgrounds when people are suffering?”

6:40 Resident wonders what the point about reviewing all of this? Will we just be here doing the same thing again next year?

6:37 St. Luke’s Church offering help for people who may not have received any.

6:35 Police Chief answering that phone numbers have been set up and publicized the assistance. Larking still worried about people who may be forgotten

6:35 Richard Larkin BU Psychology professor asking about mental health of resisdents after flood

6:34 mayor opening up conversation

6:32 Showing pictures of all town services and all public works buildings underwater.

6:30 Capital Outlay for Town of Bloomsburg. Close to $500,000 on emergency services as of 9/28. Expect more to come in.

6:29 AGAPE, Red Cross, and BU students commended again, along with Bloom Fire Department.

6:28 Code Enforcement’s job began after the flood water receded, worked to ensure safety of all town residents, to keep them safe after flood.

6:27 Some minor thefts reported, no real problems with looting. Police were aware of a possible issue early and worked to avoid theft of items on sidewalks.

6:26 Mayor Knorr thanking private organizations like AGAPE for disaster relief and recovery.

6:25 No deaths, No serious injuries. “We can rebuild things, but you can’t bring back a life” — Mayor Knorr

6:24 Senator Casey called Mayor Knorr to offer assistance. Commendation of town employees who assisted in emergency management in spite of their own homes being flooded and destroyed.

6:23 PA Department of Environment sprayed for bugs on 19th. Also PA Dept. of Agriculture performed inspections.

6:22 About 30% of town evacuated. BU cancelled classes to help clear town of excess people. 20,000 people effected by loss of municipal water

6:20 Helped maintain emergency zones, Over 20 rescues performed by boat and helicopter

6:20 Sunday able to reach ammonia tank and deal with problem. Again since leak was under water, it prevented gas from escaping into atmosphere

6:19 Saturday felt like low point, Ammonia leak, shelter needed to be moved, government set up in among several buildings, making communication difficult.

6:17 Ammonia leak at Windsor foods caused evacuation. Not sure of how much leaked at time so evacuated large area to be safe. Smaller leak than feared. Leak was eventually covered by water which prevented ammonia from going into air but slowed repair.

6:15 WHLM was commended for their constant broadcast and getting information out

6:14 Susquehanna crested on the 9th. Emergency siren system used on the 8th and 9th. Officers drove through the various zoned emergency areas to assist with evacuation.

6:13 Public works and fuel pumps surrounded by water. worked out deal with Weis to get fuel and other equipment. Got police from other townships, Bloom University, Bucknell. Worked in concert with National Guard

6:12 Moved emergency management to DUI center on 8th st.

6:11 Joe Wondoloski commended for managing emergency services

6:10 Emergency Siren was activated at 2:30Pm, worked in some areas, did not work in other areas

6:10 Town Council met in emergency session on the 7th and issued Declaration of Disaster Emergency. REd Cross shelter opened, and preparations made on Wednesday. Still not a lot of time. Local industries informed

6:08 Three storms contributed to event, with Tropical Storm Lee being the “knockout punch” Wednesday the 7th was the first time knew that there would be trouble

6:08 Mayor will first recount what the town’s response was and then will solicit feedback

6:07 Want to know what we did right, wrong and what can be done better. Wants to revisit 1972 as well as 2006. Can’t rely on memory alone.

6:04 Reason for meeting. Tough to get perspective from the street and resident level. Want to get sense of what is going on in town.

6:03 Welcome by Mayor Dan Knorr. Introducing town officials.

6:00 Meeting ready to start

5:27 WNEP on the scene

WNEP on the Scene

5:25 Todd Heiss and Derek Gittler are currently setting up and getting ready to go!


At 6:oo PM tonight (Tuesday, October 18th), there will be an open forum to discuss the flood response hosted by Mayor Dan Knorr at the Bloomsburg Fire Hall. (Read our own Jen Ralston’s overview and reminders for the event.) We will have two people on scene to keep track of the major concerns and issues being discussed. This page will become the live blog for the event. A live blog is “a blog post which is intended to provide a rolling textual coverage of an ongoing event, similar to live television or live radio.” (Wikipedia)

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